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All right, here we are with our episode of the BLTNT (0:42) podcast, and I’m here with my very special guest, Scotty Buck, aka Scott Buckziger. You guys may (0:51) recognize that last name because his wife was recently on with us, Mary, and now we’re honored (0:59) to be here with Scott. I’m the better half. 

I would agree, just because she’s not here. (1:04) She’s actually the three-quarters better half. So, Scotty is the founder of Team Buck, (1:11) and Team Buck means a couple of different things. 

It actually is your website, your boxing training, (1:18) your name of your family. The family, most important family, and everything connects, (1:23) even my boxing page, and that’s what it all resorts back to, family. Yep, and you are, (1:30) I would say, so you are a former bad boy, boxer, and now world’s best dad. 

So, that’s the B’s I (1:38) have. That’s the B I have for Buck. I am 100% domesticated now. 

Like, I do nothing. (1:45) Fully potty trained and everything? I am Mr. Laundry Man, yes. (1:51) So, Scott and I met probably a couple years after I had met your wife, Mary, (1:59) and ever since, I’ve been a fan boy and a Facebook fan boy. 

I’m always liking your stuff. (2:05) You got some mad social media game going on. Thank you, thank you. 

Oh, Facebook’s where (2:11) I post a lot of my life. I would say a lot of it, some of it. Interesting, you know, like the minutes (2:18) that happen. 

When I first became a stay-at-home dad, domestic engineer, whatever you want to use, (2:24) I used it as a resource, event, you know, to talk about my kids and the ups and downs that we have (2:32) as parents. Yeah. And I didn’t hold back. 

I would say, I mean, above all other posts that I ever (2:38) read, I mean, they’re exceptionally thoughtful, exceptionally deep, and just, I mean, really from (2:45) the heart, I think, is the key. My family, my wife and my kids, they are my passion. (2:55) They are my life. 

It is 100% obvious. They are my job. It’s 100% obvious. 

Yeah. So, I’m going to ask you a (3:04) little bit about to share, you know, with people the things that I know about you and, you know, (3:08) some of your background and kind of, you know, starting off where you grew up and kind of getting (3:13) us up to present day and everything like that. But one thing we’re really going to focus on is (3:18) that you’re kind of going through a little bit of a transition period here, you know, with the (3:26) growing up of your kids. 

So, I want to make sure that we leave plenty of time to talk about, you (3:32) know, Scotty 3.0. I think it would be 3.0, right? It’s like boxer, bad boy, (3:40) it went bad boy, boxing, personal training. Okay. You got a bad boy though. 

Remember you told me (3:46) you’re a pretty bad kid. Yeah, it was okay. Yeah, you want to go to a place I don’t want to go. 

(3:52) Yeah. So, high school years. Yeah. 

Boxing, personal training, met my wife, (4:01) stay at home then. Yeah. Right there. 

I don’t want to talk about high school. That’s okay. You don’t (4:06) have to. 

No, it’s okay. No, I think it’s good. I think it adds a lot of, I mean, it adds a lot of, (4:13) to me, it adds a lot of the depth and color to kind of just, you know, who you’ve become today. 

(4:19) And I mean, it actually makes me respect you even more to know like that you, you know, the way you (4:28) explained yourself before and where you are now is just mind-blowing difference. So, I think it’s, (4:33) I think everybody needs to hear a little bit about it. I think it’s great. 

So, (4:37) if you’re going to be successful, you have to tell people, other people, so they can follow it. (4:42) Yep. So, I agree. 

Good. So, starting us off, you know, you grew up in Farmington Hills. (4:49) I grew up in Farmington Hills. 

I graduated from North Farmington High School in 1989, (4:55) barely. I got kicked out my senior year and my high school years were just horrible. (5:04) Bad student, bad kid, no direction, no guidance, you know, just had no idea where I wanted to go (5:14) in life. 

I couldn’t stand school, ADD, you know, couldn’t sit in the classroom, used to skip all (5:23) the time. And it was just miserable. Like going to school was a miserable time for me, but it’s (5:30) not for everybody. 

Right, no. And we know that now. But back then we didn’t. 

We were shoehorned (5:35) in the same racket. Put them on medication and all that stuff and they tried all that. It just (5:43) wasn’t for me. 

I didn’t learn that way. So, I had a really hard time with school and I was always (5:50) in trouble. And the main thing, and I think it’s important too, like everything was given to me (5:57) growing up. 

My dad was very successful and I’m not blaming them because you don’t know how to (6:03) be parents. No. But nobody does. 

You don’t know what’s right. They didn’t hand you a manual. (6:07) Yeah, and if there was, nobody would have kids. 

Right. Because they’d be like, the warning signs (6:12) would throw you off. This is not worth it. 

But, you know, my dad came from nothing and wanted (6:17) us to have everything. And I’m grateful for that because it actually helps me with parenting now (6:23) too. Sure. 

You know, that my kids, you know, yeah, we give them a lot but they have to earn (6:28) it. Like, I didn’t have to earn anything growing up and maybe it hurt me. It hurts you a little (6:33) bit because you don’t know how to work for things. 

Luckily, I’m driven. Yeah. So, I have that going (6:40) for me. 

But it was embarrassing a lot of it. Like, I was driving a Corvette in my high school years. (6:48) My dad had a Corvette and he was like, I’ll just take it. 

So, there was never any punishment. My mom (6:53) had the right idea. She wanted to send me to military school. 

My dad wouldn’t let her. Okay. (6:59) And it probably would have been the best thing for me. 

But my dad was just that type of guy. (7:05) He’s just a great guy. Just a giving guy. 

Yeah. Is he still with us? Yeah. My mom and dad are (7:10) still around. 

My dad’s 74. My mom just turned 73 and they’re great people. You know, like I said, (7:17) my dad came from nothing. 

So, we wanted to make sure, you know, we have what he did. He still works (7:23) till this day. My dad wasn’t some like Martin Luther King. 

I’m going to give a speech. Rah, (7:29) rah. I’m a motivational guy. 

If my dad taught me one thing, he taught me about family. And it’s (7:36) probably why I am the way I am today with my wife and kids. That’s great. 

You know, he wasn’t like, (7:42) he wasn’t going to tell me, you know, nobody will ever have to beat you if you’re willing to beat (7:46) yourself or, you know, he wasn’t giving speeches like that. But my dad, he always, family, even (7:54) like all my friends used to come over and call my dad and he was that guy. Like we were that house. 

(7:59) Yeah. So it was cool. That’s awesome. 

High school wasn’t all that bad. Just some of it was (8:05) embarrassing. Gotcha. 

Well, I just think it’s cool that, you know, that you’ve just grown so (8:10) much, you know, and you learn and you learned and you’re leveraging the lessons and everything (8:16) like that. So I think it’s, it’s great stuff. So when did you find, when did you find boxing? (8:23) So I was 19 years old. 

I was out with a friend and I used to get bullied a lot. And not that I’m a (8:31) big kid now, but I was even small when I graduated high school, I weighed like 115 pounds and I was (8:36) scrowny and I wore glasses. And I was out with a friend and we, some kids just started bullying me (8:45) at Burger King. 

I’m 13 in Orchard Lake. Okay. It’s not a Burger King anymore. 

It’s something else. (8:51) And I swung and hit the kid and blew his face up, broke his nose. Cops came, got arrested, and I got (8:58) in trouble. 

And my uncle knew a guy who kickboxed. His name was Ken Lovey and he was like a really(9:04) big kickboxer, a world champion. And we went down to his gym at CMI Health Club. 

Okay. And I fell (9:12) in love with it right away. I’m like, this is what I need to be doing. 

This is, this is what I want to (9:17) do. And from kickboxing, there used to be a fighter, a professional fighter named James Tony. He’s a (9:25) world champion, one of the greatest fighters to ever lace up a pair of gloves. 

Awesome guy. He used (9:32) to come there after the kickboxers would get done. And every day he used to tease me, girls only kick. 

(9:40) And we just built this relationship. And he took me under his wing. And he was with Jackie Callen (9:48) at the time who just got inducted into the Hall of Fame. 

And they started mentoring me, (9:56) both of them. And I started boxing. And one thing led to another. 

And I turned professional when I (10:03) was 22. I had four amateur fights. And they were like, because my age, they’re like, well, let’s (10:09) turn them pro. 

And we’ll teach them as a pro. We’ll build them as a pro. We’ll get the right (10:14) fights. 

Can you explain the difference of those two tracks? Because I still don’t totally understand(10:19) the amateur track versus the pro track. So the amateur track is where you fight amateurs, (10:26) novice. And I’m not really familiar with it either, because I don’t have a huge amateur background. 

(10:32) So you fight all over. You go all over the country. You can fight anywhere here, Detroit,(10:38) Ohio, Chicago. 

You can go anywhere and fight amateur. And they match you up by (10:45) how you age sometimes, weight, obviously, and novice. It used to be open and novice when I (10:52) fought. 

So I had to fight open because of my age. So my fourth amateur fight, I had to fight a kid (10:59) with over 200 amateur fights. I was going into my fourth amateur fight. 

This doesn’t end well, (11:06) does it? No, it does not end well. And we were in Chicago. And it was to get to the Olympics, (11:13) Olympic trials, the ABF competition. 

And I got round one. I just watched it like a couple of (11:21) weeks ago, too. I have it on tape. 

And I’m like, man, I’m doing good. And next thing I know, (11:25) I’m on the ground, out cold. No idea how you even got there. 

He hit me with the left hook. (11:31) And when I came home, they’re like, let’s just turn pro and we’ll build you. We’ll get the right guys (11:36) at the right time. 

And we’ll do it the right way. So it’s more metered in that direction? (11:43) Yeah, you can pick. So like my first fight, I fought a guy who was in his pro debut, too, (11:50) like I was, and probably didn’t have any experience. 

And then I knocked him out. And then (11:55) my second pro fight was at the Palace of Auburn Hills. Oh, really? And I fought a guy who was one (12:00) and one. 

And we went four rounds. And then I went to Chicago and fought for my third fight and (12:07) knocked the guy out. And then I came home. 

And they’re like, you’re going to fight at the Palace (12:11) again, because the Palace used to be like where all the big fights would happen back in the day, (12:17) USA Tuesday night fights. So my fourth amateur fight, they’re like, you’re going to fight this (12:22) guy Pete Cantu, a Mexican kid out of Pontiac cell boxing. He had something like over 100 amateur (12:31) fights. 

And we fought and he stopped me in the second round. The second or third round, he (12:38) stopped me, like just completely overmatched me because they wanted to see where I was at.(12:42) And I actually quit boxing for a little bit because I was really upset. 

I didn’t know how (12:47) to handle the adversity. So was it was it fear? Or was it more just you didn’t like losing? It wasn’t (12:53) fair. Being a kid from the suburbs, I remember I was from Farmington Hills. 

So, you know, like, (12:58) you know, like, I didn’t, I’ve never had to deal with that any real adversity in my entire life. (13:05) Right. So when that happened, I’m like, you don’t know how to deal with it. 

So I took a little step (13:09) back. I came back a couple months later, I fought again. And then I fought again, the same guy who (13:16) beat me, Pete Cantu. 

Okay. Back at the Palace of Auburn Hills. The rematch. 

And the rematch. And I (13:21) knocked him out on national TV. And then my career took off, took off. 

And I did really well. And (13:30) then towards the end of my career, I crashed and burned, like taking fights I wasn’t supposed to (13:34) take, fighting out of my weight class. It’s all an excuse. 

Right. Because now I know now and this (13:40) kind of like what I try to tell these guys on my boxing page, don’t be afraid to say no. Yeah. 

Don’t (13:45) ever be afraid to say no. You were saying yes to anything that came your way? Is that what you were doing? (13:48) Yeah, like I didn’t care because I didn’t know anybody. And at the end of my career, I didn’t have (13:53) a manager. 

So I was making the decisions, me and my coach. So like I went to Vegas and fought. I (13:59) fought a guy 18 and 0. Right. 

And it was for $5,000. And I thought I was going to be a millionaire. (14:06) Right. 

Because back then $5,000, that’s a lot of money. Yeah. And I had this whole plan. 

We were (14:12) in Vegas. I’m like, I’m getting my money. I’m going to the strip bar. 

I’m going to go crazy. (14:17) I’m going to go. And I was, I fought eight rounds. 

I was so tired after I fought. I went to my room (14:23) and fell asleep and I went home with the money. I was like, ah, so. 

But that’s probably better for (14:28) you anyway. Yeah. But boxing was great for me because it taught me discipline and it taught (14:33) me how to work and it taught me about people too. 

And that’s really important. Like (14:41) I always say a boxing gym, the world should be like a boxing gym. Okay. 

Because there’s so many (14:46) different ethnic groups, religions, people, and it really taught me to listen to everybody and (14:54) have an understanding. And if you didn’t like somebody that was always a ring and you can get (14:58) in and you can fight it out. But boxing really changed my life. 

And would you say, even though (15:04) everyone, even though you’re fighting, I mean, like, does, does that, does that resolve a lot (15:07) too? Like, do you, do you usually, do you leave a fight like that? And it’s like, okay, (15:11) it’s over. Or does it kind of, does it still like, there’s like WWE wrestling where it’s like the. (15:18) I’ll give you a great example. 

So I fought two guys, Pete Cantu. And when I see him currently, (15:24) we’ll see each other. It’s all hugs. 

It’s all love. And then when I fought for the Michigan (15:28) state title, I fought a guy from Cronk. It was a big rival fight because I was with Galaxy. 

He was (15:34) with Cronk and we fought for the state title. And whenever I see this guy, it’s all love. It’s (15:40) like, you know what, it happened. 

Uh, it’s in the past, whatever. We don’t talk about it. We don’t, (15:47) every time, every now and then I’ll show my knockout of Pete Cantu. 

I’m on the boxing page, (15:53) but not to rub it in the face to show is like an example or, Hey, check it out. And sometimes like, (16:01) I think he gets upset about it, but I always think to myself, that was me getting knocked out. (16:06) He’d show it. 

Sure. And I would expect him to show it. Sure. 

Because you knocked me out. Yeah. (16:12) It’s a celebration. 

Yeah. Yeah. So, but I don’t do it in disrespect at all. 

And I have nothing (16:18) but respect for the people I was around. That’s great. Yeah. 

That’s great. So, um, (16:23) so where’s this evolved to, um, the boxing career now? Like what, what’s, what are you doing today (16:31) with that? So, um, or when did you actually, let’s talk about what, talk about the retirement and (16:37) then, and then, and then kind of got back into it. So I got, when I, I stopped boxing in 2002. 

(16:43) Okay. And I went to work for my dad. Okay. 

And my dad was a manufacturer’s rep. Yeah. My dad used (16:50) to represent, uh, Arm and Hammer, baking soda, China, paper plates. 

My dad was very successful (16:57) and the industry’s changed now. Nobody uses a manufacturer’s rep. They just go online. 

(17:03) The middleman is gone now. Uh, and he, he knew that was going to happen. Um, but I was like, (17:09) oh, here, my dad’s successful. 

I’ll, I’ll just jump into this and I’m, and I’m going to be (17:14) successful too. That did not happen. No, no, I didn’t. 

I didn’t have the personality for it. I’m, (17:19) I’m not a salesman. I don’t, I don’t like to force people to buy things. 

I’ll show you. (17:24) And if you want to buy it, great. If you don’t, whatever, there’ll be somebody else. 

(17:30) And my dad’s a car salesman. Yeah. My, my dad, you know, he’s just, (17:37) he could sell like a Ford Focus to somebody and tell them it’s a Lamborghini. 

Like that’s just (17:42) how they walk away feeling. Yeah. Whatever. 

My dad’s just got that charisma about him. I don’t, (17:49) um, not knocking myself. Everybody’s different. 

Uh, I went to work for my dad for a little bit (17:54) and I was miserable cause it was his way or no way. And I was out to breakfast one morning and (18:01) I saw this guy who owned the fitness gym. And he’s like, you should come check out what I do. 

(18:05) He knew I was a boxer and come check it out. So I went to his gym and it was like teaching, (18:11) you know, aerobics. Um, and there was a boxing ring in there and he was doing focus (18:17) mitts with people. 

And I didn’t know how to do that. He actually taught me how to do that. Okay. 

(18:21) And, um, I fell in love with it. I’m like, this is what I need to be doing. There was techno music (18:26) playing and I’m like, this is, this is it for me. 

This is where I need to be. Quit working for my (18:31) dad and became a personal trainer. Uh, I trained people like Lindsey Hunter from the Pistons (18:36) back in the day. 

And that was awesome. Like he’s great. We still talk till today. 

I mean, (18:41) Lindsey, I, I trained this son a little bit over this summer. Uh, it hurt really bad,(18:47) but I trained them. Um, he, he’s in cause you get it, you get into it with them. 

We, (18:51) we don’t do boxing, but I put on focus mitts and we do different things, but the movement, (18:56) uh, is so hard to do. I mean, you have to, I mean, they’re hitting you, you know, your hands (19:01) and your shoulders and I’m older now. I mean, I’m not old, but I’m, I’m not 25. 

(19:07) You’re middle age. Yeah. I’m middle age. 

Clearly in the middle age. Unfortunately. So, um, I, (19:13) I have done a little training on the side, but it’s not my passion. 

Okay. Um, I don’t, (19:18) I don’t want to do that anymore. So, um, I got in the personal training and that was great. 

(19:24) I did that for 12 years. And, um, what happened like 2008, 2010, like in that time, the economy (19:32) crashed, lost all my clients. Um, actually Mary’s business too. 

I don’t know if she got into it with (19:39) you or not. Like 2008, like she, she wasn’t taking a salary. They closed the business for a little (19:45) bit of time and we were living, I was paying. 

So we have re it was reversed again. She was taking (19:52) care of the kids and I was bringing home the money. What I was bringing home from personal (19:56) training. 

Uh, and things got, things got bad, like really bad for us. We had to move in with (20:01) her dad. Uh, we had two kids. 

We had to move in with her dad and her play. Her dad was great. (20:07) We play. 

We bowling together. I mean, but we, we lost everything. Cars. 

I mean, it was, it was a (20:14) really, it was a really tough time adversity. So like it was another time like adversity and (20:18) everybody sees now, but like they don’t realize like there’s been a lot of, there’s been a lot (20:24) of up and that’s not even that long ago. No. 

I mean, no, those scars are still there. Yeah. So, (20:29) but it’s good because it makes you remember, you know, you, you know, you could lose everything (20:35) tomorrow and to go through that and still, no, like to have my wife always be there and stuff (20:42) like she always tells me though too. 

And that’s a sidestep the question where we’re at. Like she (20:47) always says, what’s the worst thing that will happen? We’d lose everything and live in a truck (20:50) and eat government cheese. At least we’re together. 

And I’m like, that’s part of team buck. Yeah. You (20:54) know, you, you go through the adversity and the challenges together. 

Um, so I, when I lost all my (21:01) clients, personal training, I actually went to work for Mary a little bit personal training (21:06) and that they had a company that sold, um, aftermarket car pro. Okay. She’s like, we need (21:12) you to go on the road. 

And I’m like, I’m not a salesman. And I was driving around, um, going (21:18) to like shrams and like going in auto dealers and trying to sell headlights, aftermarket headlights. (21:26) So they already had their companies and I was just getting no, no, I’d sell one here, one there, (21:32) like nothing big. 

And the company went on there eventually. Like they’re like, it’s just not (21:36) worth it. Yeah. 

And then, um, as progress, you know, I just said, okay. And in 2013, our nanny (21:44) passed away. Yeah. 

Mary told us about that. And you, and you were the person I found there, (21:50) which was absolutely devastating. I mean, it had to be so traumatic. 

I couldn’t even sleep in a room (21:55) for like months, like absolutely traumatic. Like it was hard. I wake up crying, like in the middle (22:04) of the night, it was really bad. 

And, um, when that happened, we were like, what are we going to (22:10) do? You’re working a job. I was, I was still personal training a little bit. Sure. 

Her business (22:17) was picking up where she’s like, I’m going to go global. And I’m like, you’re out of your goddamn (22:22) mind. You’re going to go global. 

And I’m like, okay. I’m like, I got it. I’ll stay home with the (22:29) kids. 

You go chase your dream. And, um, the first three years of staying home with my kids, I swore(22:36) my life that there was a bridge high enough in this area. I want to jump from it. 

It was hell. (22:42) What did the people around you say when they saw, you know, Scotty Buck boxer, personal trainer, (22:49) like, and then all of a sudden this switch and it’s like, and it’s like super dead, you know, (22:55) and, and obviously the first few years you said rough, but like, what were, (22:59) what was some of the feedback like you were getting? (23:03) It’s, I got lots of things and I know that you’re putting stuff in your head too. (23:08) Sure. 

Yeah. And that’s, that was going to be my next question. How were you, how were you dealing(23:12) with it? Like, so anxiety, you know, like you, you go out to dinner and you’re like, oh man,(23:18) your wife’s paying, like she’s the breadwinner. 

And that that’s hard. That was really hard for me. (23:23) Yeah. 

You know, and my wife was traveling. We talked about this a little bit too. My wife was (23:28) traveling, she’s out and I’m, and I’m not implying anything. 

I’m just telling you, you know, like (23:33) it’s, it’s the automotive industry is male dominated. You bet. And, and that was really (23:39) hard for me too, because my wife for who y’all with law, this guy is a CEO of this company. 

(23:43) And I’m, you know, and that was hard. Like, like I’m telling you, like, I went into a state of(23:47) depression that was like a deep hole. Like my wife’s like, you know, and, and what I realized (23:54) obviously is my wife loves me. 

Right. And, but it’s hard, like, because you don’t know. Sure. 

(24:00) You know, I’m a stay at home dad. You’re yeah. I’m, I’m, I’m a maid. 

I’m a driver. I’m a teacher. (24:08) I’m probably the wrong kid to be raising our kids. 

Like I’m not conventional, you know. (24:14) But there, there was a really tough time for me. And what happened was I found boxing again (24:19) when I was about 43 years old, 44. 

When I got out of boxing in 2002, professionally, (24:26) I swore I would never have anything to do with it ever again in my entire life. (24:30) Because the end of my career was such a God, excuse my language. It was such a shit show. 

(24:41) Like I was taking fights I shouldn’t have been taking. I didn’t have a manager protecting me (24:46) and making sure I was doing the right things. I was making decisions based on myself. 

I was (24:51) fighting out of my way. I mean, it’s, it’s all an excuse. It’s all a learning experience,(24:55) but I swore I would never have anything to do with it. 

When I was 43, I was like, (25:00) I gotta find something. And I went back to my kids roughly. Would you just, I mean, just, just, (25:05) just spitball it. 

So when, I think they were like 10, seven and five. (25:15) Okay. So little, they’re little. 

(25:16) They’re little. Then like, you’re still like, yeah. And my son, like at that age, I hated him. 

(25:23) Like he nearly- (25:25) Your son’s the youngest. (25:26) He, yeah, he nearly broke me. Like, and I’m not going to say it. 

I’m going to say it. (25:32) So like when he was in first grade, he used to go to his, the bathroom in his pants every day at (25:38) school. Right. 

So we, we lived about 30 minutes away from school. I’d go home. I’d get a call. 

(25:43) You got to come change your son. And every day for six months. And I’m telling you, I was like, (25:49) I’m, I’m going to kill this kid. 

Just find the bathroom. Just find the bathroom, Cody. But (25:57) he’s my best friend now. 

It is the most incredible relationship. (26:01) Well, luckily you didn’t kill him. (26:02) Yeah. 

Luckily I didn’t. I thought about it a couple of times, but yeah, I mean, (26:08) you know, it’s just been interesting to say the least. (26:12) Yeah. 

But you, so, but you went to back to boxing. (26:14) I went back to boxing. (26:16) No, well, no. 

In what capacity? (26:17) So all capacities, which is kind of really cool. (26:21) So you were fighting, you were actually fighting? (26:22) So I was going to fight again. So, um, I, for a really long time, I begged my wife at like 44 (26:28) to let me do it again. 

And she’s like, no way. You’re just too old. And, um, what really sparked, (26:36) uh, the plug, the light was I, I, I stumbled on a fight. 

I heard about a fight with Tony Harrison (26:43) and Bronco McCurt. Bronco McCurt was a stable mate of mine back in the day who was a world champion (26:49) fighter. And I’m like, I’m like, whoa, he’s fighting again. 

He’s my age. Like he shouldn’t (26:54) be fighting. Right. 

Like I know this mentally. And I, I realized that like nobody was talking (27:00) about it. And I didn’t know Tony at the time. 

I do now a little bit. Great guy. Um, and I was like, (27:08) I’m going to start talking about boxing on Facebook. 

I’m going to, I’m, I’m going to create (27:12) a page. And everybody’s like, that’s stupid. That’s the dumbest. 

Nobody cares about boxing. (27:16) And I’m like, I’m going to make them care. And I started talking about boxing and going to gyms (27:22) and talking to fighters. 

And I, um, I create, I was working, creating an outlet for people to go (27:29) where it was going to be boxing only. And for the last 10 years, I have had a boxing page. (27:37) And I think there’s about 1500 people on it now. 

We don’t talk anything about boxing in 10 years, (27:43) no politics, no other sports, no race, no religion, nothing. Boxing. Somehow I’ve managed (27:51) to kept it pure. 

I’ve kept it pure and I’ve never jumped. I’ve never worked for anybody else. I’ve (27:57) always worked for myself. 

Uh, I’ve had offers and I won’t do it. I, I have a loyalty to the people (28:04) on my page and myself where we’re going to do it my way. So give me some examples of what, (28:10) what a conversation looks like on there. 

Um, or finish your thought. Yeah. Well, I was going to (28:15) say, uh, so when I was 44, I got, that was one Avenue I got back into. 

And then I started training (28:21) again because I’m like, well, if you’re going to talk about it, you better start doing it too. (28:25) So the people knew I, you were serious. Like anybody can talk a sport, but then go do that (28:31) sport. 

So I was starting to train with these guys. When I was 48, I was going to fight again (28:37) and Mary gave me permission. And I’m like, we were actually in Vegas, watch seeing a fight. 

(28:43) And I’m like, Mara, let me do it one more time. So let me do it. She was like, okay. 

(28:48) So I came home and I, um, knew a guy, his name’s coach J her Julio Hernandez from world’s best (28:57) boxing gym. There was another guy too, but he had too many fighters. Okay. 

And I was like, (29:01) I need somebody who can really work with me because I’m, I’m older. I’m going to need some (29:05) time. We’re going to have to, and he was the perfect guy. 

He really was. And I started training (29:10) every day for 10 months, two, three. I mean, I went all in what’s training look like. 

So I was (29:17) running in the morning, wake up, you run, you come home, you do whatever. And then after the kids, (29:26) before I did even get up, I’d be out on, you know, go and run or I take them to school. (29:31) And then I go and I run and then I go to the gym in the middle of the day and then I pick them up (29:36) and then I go back to the gym in the middle. 

Plus everything else that you have to do. You’re (29:40) not proud of it. You know, the good old laundry, you got to do the laundry, (29:44) you got to clean your house. 

Um, you know, you got to make sure that, you know, (29:49) everything’s put away. I mean, that’ll certainly keep you out of trouble. (29:55) Like being a stay at home dad, it like, I know how to maneuver around it now, (29:59) but when you first doing it and you’re dedicated to it, you’re in, I mean, I could do laundry. 

I (30:05) have five people in my, I can sit by the laundry room all day and just pump laundry all day. (30:10) And, and this kind of going back to where you were like mentally, how that can destroy you (30:15) because people don’t think you do anything. I think you just stay home and watch Oprah, (30:19) right? Like you’re a stay at home dad. 

You don’t do anything. It’s not true. Absolutely not. 

Like (30:23) it’s just not, and I’m not saying it’s hard. It’s not, but it’s also like you have to find(30:30) the system that works for you. Yeah. 

It’s busy. Yeah. It’s just, yeah. 

You take the kids to (30:35) school. You end up at the grocery store, you go home, you do a load of laundry. The next thing, (30:38) you know, you’re picking up your kids already and then you’re doing homework. 

I don’t do homework (30:42) with the kids. I’m going to specify that right now. We, I learned my lesson when my first daughter (30:49) stay out of the homework because that’ll ruin a relationship. 

Okay. Like, especially when you got (30:56) to be the heavy with it or especially when you know, when you don’t know how to teach, (31:01) when you, when you don’t know how to teach and get a point across, that can be really, (31:07) that can be really drastic too. Yeah. 

That’s a good point. I mean, I just, I just find like, (31:12) I can barely help my kids with their, you know, sixth and seventh grade homework. (31:16) My kids’ education has so far surpassed me. 

It’s not even, I don’t even try. They don’t, (31:23) my son teases me about it. He tells me I’m in kindergarten all the time. 

He like, (31:28) if I do something good, he’s like, you’re in first grade now. So yeah, we have a great (31:32) relationship. That’s great. 

So I was going to fight again when I was 48 and I was going to the (31:39) gym every day and I got, I was boxing one day. I was actually sparring and I was, and I was (31:44) probably going to get ready soon to say, Hey, okay, I’m ready to get back in the ring and do (31:48) this one last time. Okay. 

And I was in the gym and I, and I got hit. And when I left the gym, (31:55) I put my hand on my steering wheel and I started seeing yellow flashes. I walked right back in the (32:00) gym, said my coach, I said, it’s it, it’s done. 

It’s over. I went home and Mary was home at the (32:06) time and I went home and I’m crying. I’m bawling. 

She’s like, what’s wrong? I’m like, I just can’t (32:12) do it. I just can’t, can’t, I can’t, I can’t get past this to say it’s okay to try it because it’s (32:21) too dangerous. So like that was really hard for me. 

I was bawling cause I just wanted to do it (32:28) one more time. Cause I lost my last five fights in a row and I’m like, I just want to win on my (32:33) record. Just, I was just going to fight anybody. 

It didn’t matter. And there’s no guarantees anyways. (32:39) So I, that was hard for me. 

But, and then what happened after that? I’m like, (32:43) I’m just going to dedicate myself to this boxing page and I’m going to create a media outlet. (32:48) And I, and I’ve done that in all a safe space where people can go and I don’t know if people (32:55) can see it, but as I’m looking at all this, these pictures on the wall and these guys, (33:03) and the reason I call my, my page team buck is because these guys on my page all have what we (33:10) have in my family. They have the discipline, they have desire, they have the commitment (33:16) to not just be athletes, but people. 

I, I don’t know. Can you, can you go back up? (33:22) Um, see, oh, he’s, um, can you go down? I’m going to try to find this guy. (33:32) See, maybe he’s not on there. 

Oh, too bad. What’s his name? His name is Josiah (33:40) Shackleford. I just met him like a couple of weeks ago and went and took pictures of him. 

(33:45) And this guy blew my mind because I saw him at a bar playing the piano. Right. So what I try to show (33:52) people is they’re not just fighters. 

They’re people, right? Because we want to be able to (33:57) connect with them. And I saw him playing the piano and I was like, well, what’s going on here? I (34:03) didn’t know him. And I reached out to him. 

Did you know him as a boxer? I did. I don’t, I didn’t (34:07) know him at all. And I reached out to him. 

You literally walked up to a piano player. (34:11) Is that, is that how it happened? No, I saw him on Facebook. He made a post, a story actually, (34:16) him playing the piano. 

Okay. So I reached out to him and I said, Hey, I’d love to show my room (34:22) you playing the piano in boxing. And I thought it was just, just so interesting, right? Like, (34:30) here’s the guy like who gets in the ring and fights, but yet you’re playing the piano like (34:35) gospel on top of it. 

So I reached out to him and he’s like, great. Come on down. And he, (34:41) on top of everything else, he’s this super dad. 

Right. So I got this connection automatically. (34:47) Automatically. 

I go to the gym, his four kids are there, he’s feeding them. And then at the end of (34:54) the night, he’s, he’s sitting down. He’s, he’s taken off his glove and his daughter takes paper(34:59) towel and she’s patting the sweat like off her dad. 

And I’m telling you, I’m almost in tears. (35:05) Like to see the vault that this guy has with his family. And I try to express that to my page. 

(35:11) That’s what we do on my page to show these people that they’re more than just boxers and (35:17) fighter, that they’re humans. Like he’s, he’s not out there anymore, but one of the guys on there, (35:23) Merlin Harrington, who I’m a big fan of, he’s a barber. Right. 

That’s cool. Like I went yesterday, (35:31) Cameron, he’s, if you go all the way up to the top, see the one, two, actually the very first (35:37) picture, the single guy right there, that’s Cameron Pinky. He flips houses. 

Okay. Right. So (35:44) it’s just cool because they have lives. 

Yeah. I mean, yeah, they’re dedicated to their sport, (35:49) but they have that little thing that Zen, like they all had that Zen that keeps them (35:55) clear. And it’s cool to me. 

Like it’s, it’s, it’s neat. Cause I didn’t have that when I box, (36:00) I box. Okay. 

That was your identity. Like I just box. Okay. 

Like, like I didn’t do anything else. (36:07) And that was my job. But like now thinking about it, like I never had that outlet (36:13) to unfocus. 

Cause I think it’s good to have something to unfocus on too. Like plays the (36:19) piano. Boxer plays the piano. 

I think that’s cool. I’ve never heard of that. Yeah. 

So it was cool. (36:25) That’s great. Well, we’re going to, we’ll make sure that this is up, (36:28) shown on the, on the, on the episode for sure. 

Thanks. (36:51) So, you know, you, you also told me like a couple of things like that, that you said, (36:56) boxing and my wife saved my life. And then, and then you’re only grown up because of your wife. 

(37:02) So we talk about that a little bit. Yeah. So when, when I was in high school, I, like I said,(37:07) I had no direction. 

I had no guidance and I was doing whatever I wanted to do. When, when I got (37:14) in that fight and I found boxing, boxing guided me to the next stage of my life. I get, I get to (37:21) say I was a professional athlete. 

I had 26 professional fights. That’s awesome. I got to (37:25) fight in Vegas. 

I got to be on live TV and boxing, like I said, taught me discipline. Well, you said (37:32) you would’ve been in jail or dead. I’d be dead for sure. 

Like drugs, something like I’m telling (37:38) you, like no, not just like, I just had no direction, nothing, nothing. Like I just did (37:47) what I wanted to do. I was always in trouble with the police, something speeding, fighting (37:56) something. 

Like I was always getting in trouble. I was just reckless. Cause my dad was always there (38:01) to save me. 

Right. So I was like, yeah, whatever. You know, my, my dad, I probably put a lawyer’s (38:08) kid in college, like my dad. 

So but you learn like, right. Like I look and that’s why I don’t (38:15) talk about it. Cause it is embarrassing. 

Yeah. But I just think it’s, I think beyond it being (38:19) embarrassing, I think that, I mean, you got to remember, I met you in your forties. Okay. 

So (38:24) I meet you as super dad boxer, like got it all, like from my perspective, got it all together, (38:31) you know what I mean? And so then as he gets to know you better and then you kind of tell me (38:35) like, like how you came to be, it, it, it’s amazing. I mean, it’s really, it’s really telling (38:41) you shit show. Yeah. 

It was terrible in my, in my teens, like horrible, like terrible stuff. (38:48) Bad. I was just a bad kid. 

Um, in boxing, boxing literally saved my life for sure. Like gave me (38:55) that, show me what team was all about. What about like, it was, was there a specific trainer (39:00) that it wasn’t, it wasn’t really trained. 

It was the whole perspective of like being, (39:07) being in a gym with other people. I got to travel. I got to live in Las Vegas. 

I got to live in (39:12) California. I got to be, you get to be part of the team. You know what you understand what the, (39:17) even though it’s an individual sport, you have teammates. 

Okay. Right. So like you’re waking up (39:23) every morning, you’re running with people, you’re traveling with them. 

You’re fighting on the same (39:28) card. Like I said, you’re getting in the ring, you’re alone. Yep. 

But these people are always (39:33) by your side. And, um, if I didn’t have boxing, like honestly, I, I would be in jail for sure. (39:40) Or like literally dead because I was just going to follow anybody or any path. 

I just didn’t know (39:45) any better. I just, unfortunately. And then, um, when I met my wife, she saved my life for real (39:53) because when I got out of boxing, I got involved in drugs and if I didn’t meet her and she didn’t (40:01) show me how to turn my life around, I would for sure be dead. 

Wow. For sure. I mean, I was, (40:07) she’s, I don’t know if she said it on her podcast, but the first time she met me, I was in Birmingham (40:14) laid out. 

So I swear laid out on the lawn and like Booth Park. Okay. And I mean like had a (40:22) rough night, like went out the night before. 

Um, and like, I’m crying, I’m dealing with anxiety, (40:29) I’m in depression, I’m crying. She’s and she’ll say, I have no idea why I stuck around. (40:35) I’m like charity case. 

I was a charity case. But, um, when I, when I met her, I changed my whole (40:42) life. I went all in personal training. 

I dedicated myself to it. Um, and I was like, this is it. (40:49) She tell you the story about my tattoo. 

She did. That’s what I was going to say. So like, (40:53) so I want to understand from your perspective, I fell in love. 

I was like, it had to be, it had to (40:58) hit you pretty hard. Yeah. And, and how did you just like, how’d you know? And just go all in (41:05) because I don’t think at that time tattoo removal was as advanced as it was today. 

Such a great (41:10) story. So we, we met for people who don’t know, we met at club blue in Detroit and, and luckily, (41:17) I don’t even know how we remembered each other because it was just, you know, where your kids, (41:22) your kids, you’re having fun. And I went to work for Ally Richard, his jam. 

And she came in cause (41:28) she bought a jam down the road that was a competitor. And she came in and we, one thing (41:33) clicked and we, we really became friends first before anything else. And she was married at the (41:39) time and she got divorced. 

Mary was married. She was married at the time. We were friends (41:47) and she got divorced and it was like, I don’t know, it’s like two months into us dating. 

I’m like, (41:52) I’m she’s the one I’m like, this is it. This is, she’s it. And I went and tattooed her name on my (41:58) arm and wrapped it around my arm and like this whole thing with the, with the, with the heart (42:03) right here. 

And, and I went and I, it’s a true story, right? So it says Mary up here and over (42:10) the years I’ve connected all the kids names into it. Right. So it’s a sweet tattoo. 

And when I went (42:16) and showed her, she’s like, she looked at me and she’s like, you have to be out of your god damn (42:22) eyes. She’s like, I hope your mother’s name’s Mary. And we just laugh about it. 

She tells, (42:27) she’s a better storyteller than I’m not a great storyteller, but you just know when you know, (42:32) you know, and you go with it. And it’s been like, why did she, did she know around the same time? (42:37) Do you think? No, like she, you know what? She was, she was, I was committed. I’ll say, (42:44) I will honestly say I was committed before. 

I think way before she is, but funny things (42:50) happen. And we, we, we fell in love and we had been together for 22 years now. It has been the (42:58) most, it’s just been this wild ride. 

I always tell her, I mean, I tell her, I tell you, I mean, (43:04) you guys are such a neat couple. It’s, I mean, it’s, you, you’ve got the dynamic. It’s figured (43:09) out. 

You yin, you yang. We, I mean, it’s, it’s impressive. We had been high, like up here and we(43:18) had been down to the bottom and we never like, you know, we never think about like, oh, that’s it. 

(43:25) Like, like this is it. Like ride or die. Like this, like that’s it. 

Like we, we joke about it (43:32) all the time and she’ll be like, yeah, when you die, I’m bringing my, you’re my boyfriend to your (43:36) funeral and like all this stuff. But like, we, we joke about it, but like, I, like I couldn’t even (43:43) imagine being with like anybody else. Like she gets me, like when I go out, I go out with her. 

(43:48) I don’t go out with people. I go, I go out with her because she gets me out. I can be me around (43:54) her. 

Sure. And that’s important to me. Well, I think, I think the same goes for her. 

I think (43:59) she can be, she can be her. I don’t know what she needs. She’s, she’s, she’s cray cray. 

Yeah. (44:07) She’s, she’s great. I’m too afraid of her to say that. 

Yeah. You’re a professional boxer. (44:13) She boxed. 

I know. So that’s part of how we met too. That’s why I always keep a safe distance. 

(44:17) Yeah. I know. She’s great. 

Like, like honestly, the world needs more people like her. And I’m (44:22) her dedication, hard work. It’s not even that she puts other people in front of her (44:28) and it is been amazing watching her. 

Like anybody who gets a chance to watch the podcast with her (44:35) and you watch it. Cause you’ll see the most authentic and genuine person ever. It’s never (44:41) about her. 

It’s always about other people. Like she’s my biggest influence. I have like three (44:49) people I watch in life and she’s one Jeremy Sassoon is two. 

Okay. Who’s Jeremy? He’s my (44:56) cousin. Okay. 

And this guy is unreal. He’s like my wife, like they are one a and one B and he is, (45:05) um, and this, this incredible entrepreneur owns restaurants. He’s just, everything about him is (45:12) just sexy. 

Okay. Right. He’s just one of those guys, young guy in his thirties, but he, but he’s (45:18) got it. 

Like he’s got that it and he’s just a big influence in life. And then there’s like all (45:23) these guys that like from boxing, Tony Harrison, LJ Harrison, coach J they’re my influences to (45:32) keep straight, keep focused. That’s great. 

Yeah. That’s great. Yeah. 

So now you got the, so the (45:40) kids, okay. That you’re, you’re, your middle daughter’s about to start driving, right? (45:46) Yeah. Or she’s in driver training, right? Months. 

And then, and you’re, you’ve got, uh, (45:52) then, then your son basically has a driver and so you’re in the midst of kind of planning what, uh, (45:59) what Scotty 3.0 looks like. I’m, I’m, I’m thinking about it. Like I’m trying to prep (46:04) because you hear, you hear a lot of people say when my kids go to college, they, they lose it. 

(46:10) They have nothing. And I am trying to prepare because when Shane gets her license in a month, (46:17) I, I don’t have to drive Cody to school. I’ll have to pick them up because she’s, you know, (46:21) like if he, she has softball or whatever. 

And, but like I, I have to reinvent myself. I don’t (46:29) really, I don’t have to reinvent myself, but I have to find something to do with my time because. (46:34) Sure. 

Well, you’ve been so productive, right? I mean, you can look back and say, (46:38) all of what you did raising your kids, super productive. You, you did something good. (46:42) It worked. 

Right. Right. And now, and now it’s like, okay, you, you don’t want to just (46:46) go do something to do it. 

You want to do something that’s meaningful. (46:50) I need to do something that’s going to be passionate. I do not want to wake up in the (46:55) morning and say, oh man, I gotta go to work. 

Right. Like if that’s the case, I’ll just stay (47:01) home and fold laundry. And I don’t want to do that either because I’m not passionate about that. 

(47:05) But yeah, like, like, like what is, like what is next, you know? And maybe it is my boxing,(47:12) you know, something like my boxing page and, and focusing on that. I just started a(47:19) Shopify store where I’m selling like clothing on it. Like, but it’s not, I mean, it’s not a job. 

(47:27) Right. It’s just something to put out there. Like where I make shirts and they say Detroit on the (47:30) back and boxing gloves. 

It’s cool. Yeah. Right. 

But it’s not going to get something that I can (47:36) dedicate, dedicate a couple hours to like, I need something that I can go to and be part of and feel (47:44) like I’m, I want to make an impact. How about that? Have you thought about being a trainer again? (47:48) Uh, I don’t want to do training. Um, and I don’t want to do managing and get into that. 

And I don’t (47:54) want to promote because that’s just a ton of money and really risky. And managing is always, (48:00) um, been very interesting to me, but you got to find the right fighter, right? It’s like a stock. (48:06) You got to know when to buy and then you got to know when to sell. 

So that’s, that’s always been (48:13) something that really interests me. Um, but I love talking about it. You know, like I like (48:20) not knowing I’m in control of my situation. 

So I like going on my page and okay, well, (48:25) here’s the topic. This is, this is going to interest people. Like I figured out a way to (48:30) make myself a media media content. 

And you’re engaging people, right? Yeah. Like, like that’s (48:36) important to me to give people a safe spot where they can go and they can engage back. What’s the, (48:41) what’s the community look like in boxing? I mean, obviously here you’ve got, you’ve got this (48:45) following right on Facebook, you know, roughly 1500 people, a lot of which are active, right? I(48:51) mean, a lot of people are active. 

Yeah. Yeah. It’s not like they just joined the sidelines. 

(48:56) Like I’m lucky where there’s a lot of, like a lot of fighters like will comment. Uh, I have a hall (49:04) of fame referee that comments all the time. Frank Garza, Jackie Callen, she’ll, she’ll comment. 

(49:11) Uh, there’s other promoters that’ll get in the page. I wish more of them would do it because (49:15) I always felt like if the people could connect with the promoter, that would be great. Hey, (49:20) I went to your show and I didn’t like a, B and C, not that they’re going to change it, but if (49:25) they say, Oh, you know what? We’ll work on that. 

Right. Like, but they, they don’t, you know, (49:31) it’s, it’s hard. Like, so, and you’ve thought about, uh, I mean, I’m assuming you’ve thought (49:35) about podcasting or streaming or some sort of, uh, uh, media like that. 

I, I’ve been, um, (49:43) I’ve had a couple opportunities to podcast. It’s not my thing. I’m not, I’m, I’m not (49:47) confident behind the mic where I’m comfortable behind it. 

Um, like doing this to the full of us, (49:53) like doing this, um, is hard for me. But, and the reason I do it because it’s good for your (49:58) confidence and when you leave, you feel good. And, um, I’m very spiritual. 

Okay. So like, (50:05) I’m like, I like to have a clear mind, a, you know, my Zen, I don’t want anybody messing my (50:11) Zen up. We’re going back to bad boy days. 

Like my Zen is very, very important to me. Um, so that’s (50:20) why I do stuff. What throws you off? What throws you off when you, when you’re not feeling it? (50:24) Um, I believe bad anxiety. 

I’ll give you a great example. Like coming to this show today, (50:31) I’m like, Oh no, here we go. What’s the, what’s it like? I told Mary, she’s crack. 

She actually (50:36) called me laughing at me today. I’m like, I’m like, she’s like, what’s wrong? I didn’t sleep (50:40) last night. She’s like, why? I’m like, I don’t want to tell you. 

She’s like, tell me so I can (50:44) make fun of you. It’s just, she said, I said, well, you know, I’m thinking about the show. (50:48) And then yesterday I went to, um, take pictures and I’m thinking about it. 

Like what are they (50:53) going to do? And I can take a certain, a certain situation and I can flip it to be the end of the (50:59) world. You blow, you like my anxiety. You catastrophize. 

Yeah, really. So, so like before (51:05) I came here today, I meditated. Okay. 

All right. I went, I went and worked out. I swam, I worked out (51:11) and I took time to meditate because, um, it’s important to me to live. 

Uh, two things I want (51:18) in life. I want to be healthy and I want to be happy. That’s it. 

I don’t care anything. I don’t, (51:22) I don’t, I would, I would use the word peaceful when I think about you too. I mean, is that, (51:25) is that a word? Like I try to see the statue right here. 

What’s that one? It’s called a (51:31) mindfulness spell. And it reminds me to be in the now. And I got it recently, like a couple of (51:37) months ago because it’s really important to me because I don’t think enough people live in the (51:43) now, including myself. 

We’re so overstimulated with everything, phones, computers. And, (51:52) and that was part of my anxiety today. I’m like, Oh no, I’m gonna call him and tell him I’m not (51:58) doing it. 

No, no. But the reason I do it because it’s important because you have to take those (52:04) steps. Yeah. 

Yeah. And it makes you feel great when you do. Yeah. 

My, my wife, uh, pushes me (52:10) when, when I’m going through those anxious, I don’t want to do this. I’m going to bail out (52:15) sort of things. And she pushes me a little harsh, right? A little, but little harsh, (52:20) kind of like how Mary’s teasing you. 

I get that. And it’s like, it’s the only person I listened (52:25) to, you know, on, on stuff like that. So I don’t know if we’re fortunate that we have it. 

Yeah. (52:30) I don’t know if she got into it with that, but one of her biggest peers with me is I quit. Like (52:36) I’ll start something and quit. 

Okay. Right. Like she can’t stand it because she doesn’t quit (52:40) anything. 

Like I learned that I learned all I needed to know about my wife in 2018, but that’s (52:48) the one thing I do. Like, like I started this Shopify store and I was having a problem like (52:53) online. Yeah. 

And I’m like, I’m done. I’m like, I don’t care. I’m like, screw this. 

And I, as soon (52:58) as I said that to myself, I said, Mary finish do it. Yeah. So I called her hearing her voice before, (53:04) before she even had to say it. 

I called her up. I said, I need your help. I said, I’m having a (53:09) problem. 

I’m really struggling with that. Took my computer to her office three minutes. She fixed (53:14) it. 

I’m like, okay, I’m better now, but I didn’t quit. Yeah. Right. 

I didn’t, I didn’t quit. And (53:22) I’m pumping those things, but I learned all I needed to know about her and fight and desire (53:28) in 2018. Yeah. 

So in 2018, that was when, that was when you guys moved to China. You got to fight (53:35) the tariffs and the bad vendor or the bad client. Yeah. 

I learned all about like anybody, (53:43) any other family would have, would have packed up and folded for sure. We, we somehow or another (53:50) thrive. Like, you know, it took us a while, but yeah. 

When she told me she was going to fight (53:56) the tariffs in 2018, I said, you’re out of your mind. You’re not, you’re not. And she told me, (54:02) she’s like, I’m going to win. 

I’m going to go and I’m going to win. And what happened? She went (54:05) and she won. Yeah. 

Unfortunately it was like the worst day for her because she went and she won (54:10) and came home and her dad died. Same day, same day. I still, cause she’s one of those people who(54:18) I don’t even think she realizes like ever taken, like she’s so busy. 

I don’t ever think she’s like (54:26) taking the time to sit down and be like, I don’t think my dad’s on her. Right. Cause she’s always (54:31) going. 

And it’s crazy. Like every now and then I said, Oh, so did you ever sit back in your seat at(54:38) the office and just be like, man, this is cool. Like the good, the bad, the ugly. 

And I don’t (54:44) know if she ever does that. I think she does in her own way. Right. 

I mean, I think, (54:49) I think she realizes, uh, you know what I mean? I think she realizes how fortunate she is to have (54:55) you. I think she realizes, you know, a lot of that, but, um, but there’s a lot of go, (54:59) there’s a lot of gas, a lot of gas pedal there. I’ve never in my life met anybody like I’ve been (55:06) around world champion boxers. 

I’ve been around NBA players who are champions. I mean, I’ve been (55:12) around champion athletes. Nobody can carry her gym bag. 

I’m telling you, she is awesome. I mean, (55:18) she’s my, she’s my, she’s my number one in life for sure. But that’s amazing. 

Yeah. It’s cool. (55:24) I mean, it’s, it’s worked out great for us. 

So what else do you do to relax? (55:29) Do I do yoga? I work out a lot. Uh, call duty. Okay. 

Uh, Tiger woods. I play, uh, I play, (55:36) I’ll play the PS five. Um, uh, they just came out with a boxing game on disputed. 

I’ll do that a (55:43) lot. I love to golf. Okay. 

Like if I could go back 35 years and do anything in the world and like (55:52) that, like box or golf golf, I just started golfing. We got to go golf. Oh my God. 

I could (55:58) golf every day, twice a day, seven days a week. I can’t do that. I could go once a week. 

Yeah, (56:05) I know. I’m just saying like, if, if I could do anything in the world, that, that sport is my (56:12) Zen. Like when I’m on the court, cause it’s so peaceful, but I’m also known for breaking (56:17) clubs over my knees, uh, which I did a couple of months ago. 

And my son, my son, this is great. (56:24) My son, I was golfing with my son. Cause I’m on my Cody to learn how to golf because I think it’s (56:29) important. 

So it’s like a life sport, one of those sports where your friends can go and you can go (56:34) and you can hang out and you can do it forever. Right. And, uh, and he was frustrating me really(56:42) bad. 

And I went to tee off and I, and I like totally just barely even hit the ball and I (56:47) threw my club, but my club went in a stream and he’s like, like he’s video that he’s videoing the (56:55) whole thing. And I have to go in to water a Creek up to here and get my club. And he’s, (57:02) and I’m like laughing cause he’s laughing and I’m like this, I’m going to kill him. 

(57:06) That’s funny. Way to go Mr. Zen. Yeah. 

Yeah. No, like, like honestly, my free time, um, (57:12) like my kids, like, like honestly, my, my middle daughter plays, um, uh, softball. So, you know, (57:19) she’s like this great softball player and I’m not, you know, she’s really good at that. 

Um, (57:26) she’s getting into film, which is even, you know, great. Something that I like to do. I like to, (57:30) you know, take photography. 

They, they say I’m terrible at it though, because they’re the kids. (57:35) And then my oldest is getting in the bodybuilding. Wow. 

Which is crazy. She’s my oldest is a mini (57:40) me. She’s following in my footsteps. 

God has a nasty sense of humor. Um, didn’t want to go to (57:47) college. Great. 

Don’t care. Uh, you know, if it’s not for you, don’t go. Yeah. 

Truthfully, (57:53) like we didn’t put money away from her anyways, cause we knew she wasn’t going to go. We put it (57:58) in the other Tuesday accounts. Uh, but she wants to be a personal trainer. 

Okay. Go figure. And (58:04) she’s getting in the fitness or bodybuilding. 

I would love to tell you, I’d love to tell you, (58:09) but she doesn’t talk to me. Okay. So we, we have a very, uh, we love each other, but, um, (58:16) strained right now. 

Yeah. Like I did a lot of damage. You know, I, I, she was the oldest. 

(58:21) And when Mary was traveling, um, you know, we didn’t talk about it. Mary used to travel a lot. (58:26) Yeah. 

Like six, seven months out of the year, she’d be overseas and I had to raise, right. You (58:32) know, by myself, like she was the oldest going to school. And, uh, it was hard because you don’t, (58:37) you don’t know how to raise a kid. 

You don’t, you don’t know how to handle problems. You don’t know (58:41) what to do. And, you know, every, every kid is different, you know, and you, you do your best. 

(58:47) And, um, that book, you know, where’s the guidelines, what to do. Oh man, that would(58:53) have been helpful. But, uh, you know, you say things like I, I, I attempted to throw her out(58:59) of the house a couple of times. 

You just don’t know, you break their confidence and you don’t (59:03) realize that until after you do it. Um, and it was, it was hard for me, like, honestly, (59:09) and she remembers it. Cause she’s like me, very spiteful. 

She holds grudges. She’s going to hold (59:15) it a long time. She’ll call me when she needs something, money or, you know, something like (59:21) that. 

Hey dad, can I use your car? Cause she likes to drive my car every now and then, but (59:27) it’s, it sucks because I’m seeing, she has this great relationship with Mary where she calls Mary(59:33) once a day and I’m like, oh man, when I reached you, I’m like, yeah, so it’s tough. So that’s (59:39) hard. And I’m trying not to cry. 

It’s okay if you do, but I think it’s going to come back around. (59:44) Yeah. No, they say they come back when they’re older. 

Yeah. So she’ll come back and, (59:48) and she puts, she’s my heart, like all my kids. Right. 

So Ryan’s my heart and I label all my (59:54) kids. Right. Ryan is just, she’s my firstborn and uh, I will do whatever I have to do for her. 

No (1:00:02) matter what. Shane is my favorite. She is, she is mini Mary that Shane is going to change the world. 

(1:00:12) Okay. She’s mini Mary by a 5.0 version of Mary. Like I’m telling you, this kid (1:00:17) is special. 

Wow. My son, he’s my best friend in the world. We were just talking about it yesterday. 

(1:00:24) When he goes to college, I’m packing up, I’m going with him. You’re going to buy a house, (1:00:29) buy a house right down the street. There is no way I can go on. 

And we were talking about this. (1:00:34) What do you do next? Wherever he goes, I move. Like, and if Mary wants to come, she can come. 

(1:00:42) You can stay here, but I’m going. Well, maybe he’ll go to OU and make it easy on you. No, (1:00:46) I think he’s going to go out less. 

He tells me all the time, cause he drives me nuts. He’s like, (1:00:51) I’m moving away as far away as I can from you. And I’m getting cats because I’m definitely allergic. 

(1:00:57) So he knows I can’t come in the house. Um, but where he moves that like, I’ll have to like, (1:01:03) he’s, he’s all I know. Cause he’s the last one. 

Sure. So I’m going to have two years where it’s (1:01:07) going to be me and him. And we do everything together, like everything he calls me. 

I don’t (1:01:13) know if Mary told you what he calls me. No, he calls me Baldo, right? Cause I’m cause I’m (1:01:18) bought and he just makes fun of me. I don’t even notice. 

I don’t see, I don’t see, I don’t see (1:01:22) here, but he’s young in his hair, like this big here. So we, we bicker a lot. Like I call him (1:01:29) and not in a mean way. 

Sure. So he’s my nerd. Like he’s my little nerd. 

Like, so we go back. (1:01:36) He’s like Baldo. I’m like nerd. 

Oh, we have great chemistry in our house and, and, and how we, (1:01:42) how our family is probably wouldn’t work for 99% of the family. You know what? It works for us. (1:01:48) I’m not trying to impress other people. 

Um, I’m trying to live my life the best for me and my (1:01:54) family. That’s great. Um, so we did, so not only are we both bald, um, but we both love the rock (1:02:03) too. 

Yeah, that’s my guy. So tell me, is he, would you consider him an influence? Yeah, for sure.(1:02:09) So he, he actually, um, no, no, that’d be cool. 

No, I like, you know, there’s a couple of guys (1:02:19) like the rock Wahlberg. Um, um, you know, I think Steve Harvey’s great. You know, there’s a lot of (1:02:27) guys that they’d been through the adversity and they know what it takes, but they all have the (1:02:33) same story too. 

In a way it’s like, it’s all the same story, but I’m a big Mark Wahlberg guy too. (1:02:39) Love, love Wahlberg. But the rock actually helped me out with my boxing page because someone was(1:02:46) complaining that I swear too much on my boxing page. 

Okay. And I told him that I see, I see the (1:02:52) rock. I saw the rock in an interview and he swore. 

And I’m like, well, if the rock can swear, I can (1:02:56) swear. Sure. Right. 

Like, because people relate, they know. So, um, yeah, I’ve, he, he’s definitely (1:03:03) an influence. And then the guy grinds. 

Oh yeah. He’s the hardest worker. That’s what you’re saying (1:03:10) about those three guys, right? I mean, there’s the hardest workers. 

Like it’s all they do. Like (1:03:14) you ever see Mark Wahlberg schedule? Oh, it’s, it’s sick. He’s like, he wakes up at three in the (1:03:18) morning. 

I get up at three. I go golfing. Do you ever see the video of him and like DJ, uh, (1:03:23) no golfing at like six in the morning after he’s already worked out. 

He’s like, I just want to golf (1:03:31) at nine o’clock in the morning. It’s awesome. Like, but those guys are, they’re animals, (1:03:37) you know, they’re, that’s what they do. 

That’s, that’s their, um, Kobe Bryant, right? Yeah. Like (1:03:44) I love Kobe Bryant, Mamba mentality. I just shared this video. 

He did like, if I get up at four o’clock (1:03:52) in the morning and then I work out from four to six and I go home and I rest and then I, and then (1:03:57) I can go from eight to 12 and all these times you can work out. Well, in five years, if I work out (1:04:03) like that, everybody’s so far behind me, I have no choice but to be great. Like they can’t catch me. 

(1:04:10) And, and, and that’s kind of like the little things like that I’ll put into my life. Okay. Well(1:04:14) I’ll get up at six. 

I mean, am I getting up at four? Let’s be real. Let’s be real. I don’t have (1:04:19) to, but I have a lot of like a lot of things like I’ll, I’ll install in my personal life that I hear (1:04:26) these guys do. 

Yeah. Great. Like the other night I did, as a matter of fact, I made a post about (1:04:30) on my boxing page. 

I was at the gym at 10 o’clock at night, like a Wednesday. And I said, how many (1:04:36) of you are working out? And then I gave an example. If you were fighting me right now, (1:04:41) and now you saw me make a pose to the gym, then it’s 10 15 at night. 

You’d be like, (1:04:47) oh my God, I have to fight this. I’d already mentally hit you. And that’s what these guys (1:04:52) do. 

They mentally beat you before you even get close to them. So there’s like tricks (1:04:57) that I use for myself to get better. Yeah. 

That’s awesome. Yeah. I just, I mean, I just love the, (1:05:03) what you see is what you get. 

I, I, I’m sorry that you struggle with the anxiety about things (1:05:09) because the, the, the, the Scotty that we see is got it all together. So just so you know, (1:05:16) the rest of the world think thinks that. Yeah, no, I mean, but how do I put this? (1:05:24) We all have good days and bad days. 

And I, and I used to not be able to get through my bad days. (1:05:30) And, and now like what I do is I I’ll use my Facebook and a lot of times people think I’m (1:05:35) trying to inspire them with what I write, but I’m really talking to myself. You’re doing it for you. 

(1:05:40) I’m really right. And like, so I just made one the other day about going through a hard time and (1:05:46) people are like, Oh, I really, I needed that. You know, I needed that too. 

Yeah. I’m really (1:05:50) talking to myself because it’s, it’s, it’s a venue and not a venue. It’s an outlet really (1:05:59) where people can talk and you know, social media is, I love social media. 

I am a social media guy. (1:06:05) I mean, I will, I will scroll 10,000 tech talks in an hour. I’ll try to, you know, (1:06:11) when my kids come over and party, I’m trying to do the dances. 

Like I enjoy, like Mary always says, (1:06:17) you were born in the wrong era. Like I think this era is just so creative. Yeah. 

I, I love (1:06:24) everything. I can’t believe the stuff that they can do just inherently that I would take. It takes (1:06:30) me having to watch a YouTube video. 

It’s awesome. Yeah. Right, right. 

Right now I got two things. (1:06:36) My, my two main focuses. I will add three happy, peaceful, and healthy. 

And I try to control it. (1:06:45) Yeah. You know, I’m self, I’m selfish with myself. 

I don’t hang out. I have a very small circle of (1:06:50) friends. I don’t even know if I have any friends. 

Like, honestly, I’m always with my wife. I’m (1:06:55) always with my, my kids. I go out, I go out by myself. 

You know, I just, I enjoy me. What do you (1:07:04) the townhouse last week in Detroit? And you end up like, there’s always some, there’s always (1:07:10) somebody to talk to, right? The bartender. I scroll Facebook or, I mean, there’s always something (1:07:19) that you’re never really alone, right? Like if I go out in Birmingham, like I’m going to bump into (1:07:24) somebody, you know, right. 

So like I was eating breakfast a couple of weeks ago at a restaurant (1:07:28) and there was a guy that actually at townhouse Birmingham, I was there and the guy knew from (1:07:35) working at snap fitness. Okay. When I personally trained there, used to train, he slid over and we (1:07:40) had lunch together. 

That’s great. I’m like, okay. I’m like, so you’re never really alone, (1:07:44) but I don’t like when people like, let’s go out. 

I anxiety. That’s when anxiety hits. Okay. 

Cause (1:07:51) I like to drive myself. I like to be my own car. Uh, and I like to pick up and go when I can go. 

(1:07:56) So I went to a bachelor party three years ago in Tennessee and everybody was at the strip bar, (1:08:03) right? True story. And everybody’s there and I’m like, it’s terrible. And don’t get me wrong. 

(1:08:10) I love the strip bar as much as the next guy. Um, and I, but social anxiety, like when I’m done, (1:08:16) I got to go. I’m just ready to go. 

And I picked up in loft and everybody’s like, (1:08:21) where’d you go? And they got, I don’t want to say that they got mad, but it’s kind of like (1:08:25) a crappy thing to do to leave your party. But at the same point, they don’t know what you’re (1:08:30) dealing with. Like when, when I’m done, I’m done. 

Like the Irish goodbye. Yeah. We call it the (1:08:37) Houdini. 

Yes, sir. So, um, yeah, no, I just like to have fun in life. That’s awesome. 

My family’s (1:08:46) my, uh, my ultimate thing. Well, man, you’re a great guy. I consider you a friend. 

So I hope (1:08:53) I’m in that small circle and it’s not big. I appreciate you very much. And, uh, I’m so glad (1:08:58) we did this and, and I hope we do it again. 

I think, I think what we should really do is I think (1:09:03) that people should see what I get to see, which is you and Mary together. And, uh, and we’ll just (1:09:09) kind of facilitate the conversation. I think that would be, I think that would be something to share (1:09:15) with other people. 

I think that that’s a, that’s a very special, very special thing. We are (1:09:21) funny as hell together. I agree. 

We do not hold back. That one we might need to edit. (1:09:27) We might need that. 

We might need that. Oh my God. Like, yeah, that’s, uh, you know, (1:09:32) like, like, honestly, I don’t, I don’t, I couldn’t, you know, I was going to say, (1:09:36) I don’t know where I’d be in life without her. 

Right. And I know this is great. Like going back (1:09:41) to what you were saying, like, you know, how do people handle that? And the first thing I think, (1:09:45) like, think about is, yeah, because financially she takes care of you. 

Right. But at the same (1:09:51) point, I said, like, I think I always think to myself, yeah, well, she wouldn’t be where she’s (1:09:56) at if I didn’t do what I did for the last 15 years. Right. 

So going just backtracking to what (1:10:02) we were talking about earlier, like they used to get a lot of anxiety about that. Yeah. Your wife (1:10:07) makes the money. 

Yeah. Well, my wife might not be able to travel to China 80 times a year. You bet. 

(1:10:14) If I didn’t go home and do what I had to do. But I think that’s, I mean, but you look at it as team (1:10:19) buck, right? I mean, that’s, I mean, that’s the thing. And one thing, you know, we, we didn’t, (1:10:23) uh, get into this, but, but you had said to me that you actually already got to realize one of (1:10:29) your dreams, which was to be a professional athlete. 

You didn’t even really know that dream (1:10:33) early on, but it, but it became a dream and then you fulfilled it. And you said, look, my job in (1:10:41) is to help her fulfill her dreams. And I just thought that was a really cool selfless thing. 

(1:10:46) And what a purpose though, that it gives you, um, you know, to be purpose driven, right? Everybody’s (1:10:52) always looking for their why, you know, you’ve got that why there, you know, and you get your wine (1:10:57) and then you’ve got these kinds of subcategories of like, but I also got to make sure I take good (1:11:01) care of myself. And I think that that’s the, I think that’s a really cool balanced approach. (1:11:06) We have core, we have like core values. 

It’s almost like running it like a business. I swear (1:11:11) in my life, like your core values. And then you got all your stuff. 

You probably learned that in (1:11:15) Vistage. Yep. Probably. 

I probably learned that from my wife, from her going to this, but you have (1:11:21) your core values, right? What those mean to you. And then you have all this other little stuff (1:11:25) spread around all your goals and everything else. And honestly, like, it’s like, we, we don’t get(1:11:31) off our values. 

Yep. Right. We just don’t get off them. 

So yeah, I don’t know, me and her on one (1:11:37) show. We’re going to do it. I tell you what, if you ever get a chance, watch boxing with her. 

(1:11:43) Okay. Because you want to talk about someone who’s brutally intense. Yeah, it’s fun. 

No, (1:11:48) she’s great. Like, honestly, like she’s, she’s my wife and I’m not just saying because we’re on her (1:11:52) like, um, she’s, she’s epic. That’s awesome. 

To say the least. Definitely. Yeah. 

Check out the (1:11:59) podcast with her because she’s direct. I don’t want to say blunt, but she’s intelligent. Sure. 

(1:12:08) She is a great thought process. Like speaking for her. She’s just natural. 

I think the, you know, (1:12:13) the, the other, you put all those things together, but then also the word fearless. Right. And like, (1:12:17) what she said to me is like, Hey, after all the shit I’ve been through nothing, especially in (1:12:23) business. 

Right. And she, she caveated that. Right. 

Cause I think, I think life can bring some (1:12:26) major craziness, but especially business, right. She is literally not worried and she’ll be just (1:12:33) as happy, you know, with you in the van down by the river eating government cheese, but nothing (1:12:39) fear. She has no fear in the, in the world of business. 

I’ve never met anybody in my life who (1:12:46) went back to school at 40 years old to get four master’s degrees and did nothing with them. (1:12:53) Yeah. Well, and after, and right at the tail end or during a total shit show. 

(1:12:59) Yeah. Yeah. COVID and like, she almost stopped. 

So this goes back to me. Did you push her? (1:13:07) I don’t remember. I don’t, I don’t want her to take, take a little credit for it. 

I don’t, (1:13:10) I don’t push her because I try to see it. Like when I try to pep talk her, she’s like,(1:13:16) I don’t need your pep talks. That’s what she tells me because she doesn’t like, (1:13:20) I’m telling you. 

She’s got that. She’s got that in here. If people meet her, she’s, (1:13:25) she’s just got it. 

Driven. It’s not even driven. Like, honestly, like something makes her tick. 

(1:13:30) I don’t know if it’s to prove people wrong. I don’t know what it is that I would, I was telling (1:13:36) her, I was telling Jackie that that was, I was going to text you to ask her what makes her tick. (1:13:43) Like, cause there’s something like something chip on the shoulder. 

I don’t know, man. (1:13:46) It’s crazy. It’s, it’s absolutely nuts. 

How driven she is. It’s crazy. Try living with her. 

(1:13:55) It’s all of you, buddy. I know when, when, when I go, when I go to, (1:13:59) cause I worked there in 2020 and, and the shop, well, the floor manager, whatever you want to (1:14:05) call it. He taught me how to do everything, drive a high low. 

And I had to step in 2020 and work (1:14:11) there. I had to become the floor manager because everybody got sent home and she’s like, Scott, (1:14:17) you’re going to work. And I had to learn how to drive. 

I got my high low ID on me where I can say (1:14:22) I’m certified and you know, shipping, receiving all that stuff because nobody was there and they (1:14:28) didn’t shut down. So there was still product going in and out, but everybody, nobody was there. (1:14:33) But her, the guy who’s the shop manager, the floor plant manager, he always tells me, he’s like, (1:14:39) I don’t know how you live with her. 

He’s my guy. She’s, she’s awesome. She’s great. 

(1:14:47) Well, that’s great. She’s by far the best part of me. That’s awesome. 

That’s awesome. Well, (1:14:52) thanks for everything. I appreciate you being here. 

I appreciate you having me and thinking (1:14:56) I had something to say that people could relate to. And that’s the idea, right? I think they can. (1:14:59) I hope a lot of people see your page and you know, both your webpage and your, and your, (1:15:04) and join your Facebook page as well. 

I mean, I’m learning about boxing as we speak. (1:15:10) Enter my Facebook page, enter at risk. Yeah. 

Cause I talk about my kids a lot and it’s easier (1:15:21) for me to write than talk and no, I’m not a great writer or anything like that, but I know how to (1:15:27) get my point across. I don’t know the difference between two, two, two, and two and there and (1:15:32) there and there. And I don’t chat GPT and I’m authentic and I’m real. 

I don’t want some AI (1:15:40) generated story. Yeah. I tell people, I think people can relate to me. 

I think like, I’m just (1:15:45) a guy, right? Like, isn’t that what we need in this world? I think that’s your superpower, man. (1:15:50) We just want to relate. We want to know we’re not alone. 

And that’s important to me. We’re (1:15:56) not alone. I agree. 

I just love that. You know, like what you said about that, you share, (1:16:00) you’re sharing stuff and it’s for you. It’s kind of like, you know, BMW, I don’t know the exact (1:16:05) tagline or whatever, but it’s like, it’s like essentially like we build cars for ourselves. 

(1:16:10) And if you happen to like them, then great, you know, type of thing. And I think that’s,(1:16:14) that’s what made me, you know, what I thought about when I’m thinking about your posts, it’s (1:16:18) like, yeah, he’s writing this for himself. It’s deep. 

And all these people around you though, (1:16:22) are catching something from it, but you didn’t go into it, writing it with this purpose of like, (1:16:26) I’m trying to be this inspiration. You’re like, you’re like, no, I got to get this out. (1:16:31) And it’s helpful for me. 

And it’s going to help. And it, a beautiful by-product is that it helps (1:16:36) other people. It’s like an open diary, right? That is a perfect way to explain your post. 

(1:16:42) That is a perfect way. It’s like an open, it’s like an open diary. So on the way here, I was(1:16:47) like, man, I’m going to pull over. 

I’m going to pull the car over, which I never do. I drive in (1:16:51) texts. And I’m going to write about my anxiety this morning and what I’m going through. 

And I’m (1:16:57) like, you know what? Do you do voice to text at least? No. Come on. You got to start doing that. 

(1:17:01) I know. It’s so dangerous. My kids consistently yell at me and I’m bad with it. 

Yeah. So I (1:17:07) promise. You got to work on that one. 

I promise right now on this show that I will work on not. (1:17:13) We’ve got a relationship with a group that actually their whole premise is to stop distracted (1:17:19) driving. So Mary jumps on me. 

Cause it was a, you might know him. I think his name is Steve (1:17:24) Kiefer. That’s what I was talking about. 

Okay. So Mary told me like his son died, someone texting, (1:17:30) right. And so, um, I’ll work on that as right now. 

I hang there, I hang there, uh, cause I, (1:17:39) I have the same problem, but I hang there, um, their little, uh, bracelet, right. The Kiefer (1:17:44) foundation bracelet is in my car, uh, on the turn signal reminding me. And I got her, I had, (1:17:51) I had two for a while. 

I think one of them got sucked into the vacuum at the carwash, but (1:17:54) I had one on the, on the, on the dash where I hold my, uh, where my phone holder is. (1:17:59) And I had it there. Cause I have the same, my mind’s going. 

And I mean, and you said you have (1:18:03) ADD. I have, I have crazy ADD as well, which is good that we were able to put this together. (1:18:09) I swear I saw like five squirrels run by there and I’m like, well, no, I mean, that’s when that’s (1:18:14) a lot of times when I talk, I’ll, I’ll lose track. 

Well, I was on Facebook the whole time. (1:18:18) I do the Donald Trump, the week, the week. So, um, no, I mean, everything’s great. 

Life is good. (1:18:27) And yeah, like I said, it’s, you know, my, my, my Facebook page, not my boxing page. (1:18:32) I keep them separate. 

I keep everything separate. Yeah. And boxing is boxing. 

And, um, when (1:18:39) something happens that I think I can, that I need the hair for myself or people that’s on your (1:18:44) regular Facebook page. Yeah. That’s good to explain it to people. 

Cause not everybody likes (1:18:48) boxing. I’ll tell you what the one, the one bit of advice that I’m looking for for you is the shoes. (1:18:53) I’m I’m you’re a shoe guy. 

I’m a shoe guy. I am. I am like a, I got way too many pairs of the same (1:19:00) boat shoes around my house. 

You would probably look at those and say, no, they’re okay. So I’m (1:19:05) getting older now at 53. So my, so my whole, like my whole, so something that I did earlier in the (1:19:12) year. 

So I got hurt earlier this year. I hurt my back. I herniated my back and it got really bad. 

(1:19:20) Went into depression, pinched, you know, it was, I’m pinching on a nerve sciatic dumbbells. I can (1:19:25) barely even move. I mean, I’m miserable. 

And I got back into yoga. And when I was at yoga, (1:19:31) um, I was, I was talking to one of the teachers that, and she’s like, you need to be a yoga (1:19:37) instructor. She’s like, when you talk, it is genuine and authentic. 

And she’s like, (1:19:42) I’m telling you, you need to be a yoga instructor. I like that for you. And I said, I said, that’s (1:19:48) great, but I can’t even touch my toes. 

She’s like, that’s why you need to do it because people can (1:19:53) relate to that. So, um, she’s like, gave me all these books to read. And I started reading these (1:20:00) books and it’s like, they’re speaking to me. 

It’s about being mindful. It’s, it’s about living (1:20:06) in the now. And I’m like, well, I’m like this. 

And then there was one about the four agreements. (1:20:13) Oh, I love the four agreements. I can’t rattle them off perfectly. 

I can, I can pull them up. (1:20:18) No. So, um, you know, I’m offhand. 

Um, be impeccable with your word. (1:20:24) Be impeccable with your words. Uh, um, don’t let what other people say, offend you. 

(1:20:30) Don’t assume and always try your best. And I’ve been living by these things lately. And I’m (1:20:35) telling you, like my whole life has changed, but back to back to Jackie, you got to put this up (1:20:40) back, back to, back to what you said about, um, uh, shoes, clothing, right? So in the beginning (1:20:48) of summer, my, my, my whole, my whole, like this vibe change. 

And I’m like, you know what I’m going (1:20:53) to do? I’m going to pull the Mark Zuckerberg and Mark Cuban, and I’m going to go and I’m going to (1:20:58) start wearing the same thing every day. I’m going to, my thought process is like, why, why think (1:21:03) about what do you want to wear? You bet. Find something that just looks good. 

So I did. I went (1:21:08) out and bought Viore pants, a couple pair, different colors. And I wore like the summertime, (1:21:13) like these just good life t-shirts, like nothing fancy V cut or sweat. 

And I just wore the same (1:21:20) in like shoes like this Stan Smith Adidas. And, and I just went simple. Right. 

And my whole vibe (1:21:27) change. I’m like, man, this is, this is, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s kind of free, isn’t it? I’m not (1:21:33) thinking about it anymore. Yeah. 

My wife bought me a bunch of, um, the true classic t-shirts and (1:21:40) just, she’s like, and she bought them for my house here and for, uh, for our condo up North. (1:21:45) And she’s like, here, here’s, here’s, uh, here’s every color. There’s they’re not even expensive. 

(1:21:50) Okay. They look good on you. She’s like, just wear these, just stop wearing all the other stuff. 

(1:21:55) And I was like, this is so easy, right? This is so easy. I got Lululemon pants and shorts and (1:22:01) those shirts. And unless I need a collar, then I, then everything I have is bought at a pro shop. 

(1:22:06) So I just buy everything. So I used to be one of those guys, like Gucci, this Fendi that,(1:22:12) you know, and keeping up with the Joneses. And I’m like this year, like I said, like I said,(1:22:16) I started reading these books and I’m like, what are you doing? I’m like, are you doing it? I said, (1:22:22) or are you doing it to impress other people? I said, what are you doing? And this is true story. 

(1:22:28) I had, I had a watch collection. I sold all my watches. Okay. 

And Mary’s like, what are you (1:22:33) doing? She’s like, just keep them for what? I’m like, they don’t make me happy. Yeah. I’m like, (1:22:38) I’m like, they sit in a box. 

That wasn’t like a hundred of them, just a couple that I never wore. (1:22:43) And I’m like, I’m like, I’m just done. I’m like, I’m just, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t need it. 

(1:22:48) You know, and don’t get me wrong. I love nice things. We want nice things and, but I don’t, (1:22:54) I don’t need things to make other people happy. 

I need them to make myself happy. (1:22:59) That’s awesome. Yeah. 

What is, uh, what does Mary always say? Like traveling first buying (1:23:06) something. She’s like, you want things versus experiences. That’s what you usually want. 

Yeah. (1:23:11) Like I want things. She’s like, I’d rather have the experience. 

Right. Are you shifting though? (1:23:16) Um, I’m doing, I’m getting, I think you’re shifting into the now versus the whole experience. (1:23:22) I am literally trying to live in the now. 

That’s awesome. Like, and I’m not saying I want to climb (1:23:27) a mountain and be with the monks, but I am trying to make my days count for sure. Absolutely. 

(1:23:34) I’m getting older. I’m on the back now. You don’t look that old. 

I’m on the back nine. (1:23:39) How old are you? 53. 53. 

Yeah. You don’t look like 53. Yeah. 

You can probably a couple of health (1:23:45) problems. When I, when I turned 50 and a half, I got hit with vertigo four times. Okay. 

I didn’t (1:23:52) know where. And that changed my whole, I’d never been sick in my entire life. Really? Never ever. 

(1:24:01) In my, if you’d look at my medical records, I’ve been to the doctor more in the last three years (1:24:07) than I have my whole life. Wow. I didn’t know her. 

Huh? Did they get rid of it? Or did you, (1:24:13) did it resolve? It comes and goes. Like I got it really bad when I was 50 and a half. Okay. 

Like, (1:24:19) I mean, I will, I couldn’t get out of bed for a week. Have you ever had vertigo? I have. Yeah, (1:24:24) it is. 

It’s awful. Let me tell you, like for people who’ve never experienced vertigo, (1:24:28) it’s horrible. Yeah. 

It’s like being hammered drunk without any of the fun. (1:24:34) Yeah. I mean, laying in, but when you wake up, the worst was you just wake up and the bed just (1:24:39) feels like it’s doing this. 

And you’re like, okay, I know it’s not really, I know I’m really (1:24:43) not going to fall out of my bed, but it feels like I have to grab. I don’t ever not drive my (1:24:49) kids to school. I was like, Mary, you gotta, you gotta help me out. 

Yeah. Like, and then it (1:24:55) happened again to me six months later. And then six months later, like that was, that was when I (1:25:00) really got back into my health and fitness. 

Were you doing yoga at the time when it happened? Or (1:25:04) was this before? No, it was, uh, I got into yoga about two years ago. Okay. So it was before it (1:25:11) was one of the reasons I got into doing yoga. 

Okay. Because I’m so inflexible. Okay. 

And what (1:25:17) I found out about yoga is a couple of things is that it really doesn’t have anything. What (1:25:23) happened was I went for flexibility, but I found my mind. Okay. 

As crazy as that sounds, like I (1:25:29) didn’t even, I don’t even care. Like I go now, like I’ll go, I just do my own thing in the class. (1:25:34) Yeah. 

And if you notice other people do too, because they’re there for their space. Yeah. It’s, (1:25:40) it’s not like I’m some yoga. 

I’m not hugging trees, but it really allows me to just close (1:25:48) off to the world. Like I don’t have a phone when I’m in there. The stimulation is zero. 

It’s you (1:25:54) and my mat. Yeah. And I love it. 

I’m not good at it, but I love it. That’s great. Well, I’m remarkably (1:26:01) flexible, but I’m not, I’m not as strong as I used to be. 

So I gotta, I gotta slim down and get (1:26:06) stronger. But, but the flexibility piece, cause I’ve done yoga a lot, but the, why I asked you (1:26:11) was because my vertigo was coming from inversions. And so then I, so I had to stop doing anything (1:26:20) inverted. 

You want to know what I think mine was from? You want me to say it? Sure. The vaccine.(1:26:25) You think so? Yeah. 

Yeah. I took the vaccine. I wouldn’t, I needed a heart surgery after (1:26:31) having the vaccine. 

I had, I had some heart stuff that just flared up. Not trying to start crap. (1:26:37) No, no. 

Here’s what I always say is that my wife and I went from being, you know, (1:26:42) complete pro-vaxxers. Cause we were like, Hey, we just want to get out, travel again, (1:26:46) get back to the world. All of a sudden after that second vaccine, you know, she got, (1:26:51) she got pleurisy. 

She got sicker, sicker with other chronic stuff that she’s just got flared (1:26:58) up like crazy. And I had the same sort of inflammation problems and a heart rhythm problem (1:27:03) that got worse. And just, uh, it was, I don’t, I, I get it. 

No. So I went from pro to, to kind of, (1:27:12) not anti-vax overall, but definitely anti that vax. Uh, yeah. 

So like, like I, I don’t take any (1:27:18) like flu shots, nothing, whatever you get, I get sick. I get sick. And I kind of took it for the (1:27:23) same reason. 

I took the first two because I was like, we need to get over this. We need to get (1:27:28) out of it. I’m going to do my part as an American. 

And I’m like, just go. It’s just a goddamn shot. (1:27:37) Big deal. 

I’m like, let’s, let’s go. And then boom, blood pressure went up. Yep. 

Same. My (1:27:44) blood pressure went up. Um, I had a lot of vertigo, which was not fun. 

Whatever it is. (1:27:51) No, but, but yeah. And you know what, I mean, we can’t undo it or whatever, but, uh, (1:27:55) who even knows that that’s what it was, right? It could be happenstance or whatever, but, uh, (1:27:59) because I’m just old. 

Yep. So we’re not, we’re not, we’re not solving all the world’s problems, (1:28:04) but, uh, but we’ve got our, we’ve got our opinions. Yeah. 

You’re all about an opinion. (1:28:10) So, but good, man, this has been awesome. Yeah. 

Thank you very much. Do it again. I appreciate (1:28:14) any time. 

Yeah. I’d appreciate it. You can give me a little, a couple, a couple of tips. 

I’ve (1:28:18) been hitting the bag at home. Let me know when you want me to come over. Like I said, I said, (1:28:22) you know, I was hitting the bag and last week it was my left shoulder was out. 

And then, uh, (1:28:28) and then the beginning of this week, my right shoulder was out. So I gotta, I gotta be a (1:28:32) little more careful when you’re ready. I’ll come over with focus mitts and there’s more give than (1:28:38) hitting a bag because sometimes the bags are really hard and that’s a jar in the jars. 

Got it. (1:28:44) All right. I’m going to take you up on that. 

All right, sweet. All right, man. Well, (1:28:48) my favorite episodes, the BLTNT podcast with Scotty Buck. 

I appreciate you having me.